Pensions: “There is a milestone: 65 years”, assures Gabriel Attal, on Emmanuel Macron’s reform proposal

Government spokesman Gabriel Attal.  (AFP / LUDOVIC MARIN)

Government spokesman Gabriel Attal. (AFP / LUDOVIC MARIN)

“We have to work a little more. It will not be done the same way for everyone: we will take into account the long careers, the difficulties,” said government spokesman Gabriel Attal, defending the pension reform proposal of candidate president Emmanuel Macron.

“There is a milestone, yes, 65 years.” This Wednesday, April 13, government spokesman Gabriel Attal clarified Emmanuel Macron’s position on pensions on the plateau of


. And

the “cap” of “65 years” is maintained,

“We want to do it


as we said “, he hinted

that “there may be times of dates

: we are looking at how this reform is implemented, the impact it has and, potentially, asking ourselves questions “, continued Gabriel Attal.

“The goal itself is not 65, but

allow the system to continue to exist,

continue to pay pensions and have a minimum pension of € 1,100 for all those who have a full career, to allow next July to reassess the pensions of current retirees with inflation. If Emmanuel Macron is re-elected next July,

pensions will be revalued with inflation,

it will therefore be more purchasing power for pensioners ”, continued the government spokesman.

“All of this is funded. Marine Le Pen explains that there is magic money, that there is no need to fund it, that people will also be able to work with less:

it’s an absolute lie.

In the end, we know that the choices will remain only two, if she is led to set up her program: either lower pensions to rebalance the system, or raise taxes for those who work.

We don’t want these two solutions. ”

Gabriel Attal said. “Yes, it means that overall we have to work a little longer. It will not be done the same for everyone:

we will take into account long careers, hard work,

there are obviously professions that are consumed more than others. These people, of course, shouldn’t leave at 65, they will have to leave earlier, “she admitted.

“65 is not a dogma”

On Monday, Emmanuel Macron “opened the doors” to a postponement of the legal age to 64 instead of 65 to broaden his electoral base, opening a gap in the funding of his program, of which the pension reform was presented as the Keystone. . The candidate “moves”, his totem swings. Launched into an indecisive duel against Marine Le Pen, the outgoing president did so

dropped the ballast on his emblematic promise,

on his first away match after qualifying for the second round.

Hoping to “make a consensus” and belittle

a subject that can generate “too much tension”,

it “very clearly opens the doors” to a softened pension reform, with a legal age postponed to 64 years

a “review clause in 2027”,

against 65 years of 2032 in his project unveiled a month ago.

“65 is not a dogma”,

he says now, as a sign of good will. His campaign team, however, said otherwise a week earlier. This age limit

“not part of the negotiation”,

said Anne de Bayser, company relations coordinator for candidate Macron, during a meeting with the Association of Social Information Journalists (Ajis) four days before the first round.

And for good reason:

this reform “is not just there to fill the hole”

and get the pension system out of chronic deficits, but

must also “finance the entire project,

with full employment and growth. “Three indivisible” levers “, because” more people who work longer means more growth, “he explained.

At his side, the head of the ideas center of the En Marche party, Pierre Bouillon, insisted on the objective of “freeing up budgetary room for maneuver that would allow

finance expenses related to the aging of the population “,

both in terms of health and addiction. Without forgetting in the shorter term the increase in pensions promised “from this summer” to recover the surge in inflation and the announced revaluation of the minimum pension to 1,100 euros per month for a full career.

An already full list, to which will be added the counterparts that the unions will not fail to claim. Given Emmanuel Macron’s first concessions,

“we will have a better hand to negotiate” if he is elected,

he already considers himself a good connoisseur of the dossier.

“The pension will not be at 65”, according to the president of the CPME

In addition to the inevitable negotiations over long careers and hardships, this union official notes that the presidential candidate mentioned a

possible adjustment of the “pace” of its reform

which would be “significant, because 4 months a year or 2 months changes a lot”.

But this half-open door seemed to close on Tuesday, Emmanuel Macron reaffirming from Mulhouse his desire to a

raising the legal age by four months a year starting in 2023.

“This is the entry point for the discussion”, said the prime minister, Jean Castex, on a visit to Châteauroux. A majority picture at the same time suggested a possible outcome at the age of 64, with less progress for small pensions and difficulties.

On the employers’ side, François Asselin understood the obvious: “Emmanuel Macron has started to step back” and

“The pension will not be at 65, today it is almost certain”,

observes the president of the CPME, convinced however that “it will be necessary to postpone the age of departure”.

Certainty that does not unite, on the trade union side, Pascale Coton (CFTC), for whom “age is not the most important thing, we must first look at inequalities”, in particular to “recover the gap” between men and women and repair “the whims of life”.

“Contrasted to the change of legal age”, Dominique Corona (Unsa) believes for his part that there is

“No pension financing problem”

and that there are “other, more relevant solutions” to strengthen the social model in the first place

“to raise wages”.

“You shouldn’t even be afraid of increasing employer contributions, that’s not a bad word,” he adds.

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